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		<title>By: Terenci</title>
		<link>http://www.ratdiary.com/2006/12/10/brokeback-redux/#comment-1773</link>
		<dc:creator>Terenci</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Feb 2007 18:49:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think your post is quite good. I still remember the first time I saw the movie... and of course I still remember the chat that my friends and me had after seeing the movie. We realized about how lucky were we in a country that recently had aproved gay marriage, and that we hoped that situations like the one with Ennis and Jack would not repeat in the future.
Hughs from Spain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think your post is quite good. I still remember the first time I saw the movie&#8230; and of course I still remember the chat that my friends and me had after seeing the movie. We realized about how lucky were we in a country that recently had aproved gay marriage, and that we hoped that situations like the one with Ennis and Jack would not repeat in the future.<br />
Hughs from Spain.</p>
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		<title>By: Sprague D</title>
		<link>http://www.ratdiary.com/2006/12/10/brokeback-redux/#comment-1456</link>
		<dc:creator>Sprague D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Dec 2006 15:51:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I revised my assessment of the cause of Jack Twist&#039;s anger in his last scene with Ennis based on a thoughtful discussion I read over on [&lt;a href=&quot;http://ennisjack.com/index.php?topic=8507.0&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;EnnisJack.com&lt;/a&gt;] -- another good place to keep the discussion alive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I revised my assessment of the cause of Jack Twist&#8217;s anger in his last scene with Ennis based on a thoughtful discussion I read over on [<a href="http://ennisjack.com/index.php?topic=8507.0" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">EnnisJack.com</a>] &#8212; another good place to keep the discussion alive.</p>
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		<title>By: Sprague D</title>
		<link>http://www.ratdiary.com/2006/12/10/brokeback-redux/#comment-1410</link>
		<dc:creator>Sprague D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Dec 2006 15:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marc,

Merry Christmas to you and everyone else who has come by and posted such great comments. Thanks for the kind words -- much appreciated.

I do moderate comments but have not had to filter out any on this topic -- I&#039;ve been able to post every one, not a bad apple in the bunch.

I, too, agree that the &quot;&#039;mos&quot; bring a special sensibility to the world, alas born of sensitivity to pain and our outsider status -- it allows us to see things others may take for granted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marc,</p>
<p>Merry Christmas to you and everyone else who has come by and posted such great comments. Thanks for the kind words &#8212; much appreciated.</p>
<p>I do moderate comments but have not had to filter out any on this topic &#8212; I&#8217;ve been able to post every one, not a bad apple in the bunch.</p>
<p>I, too, agree that the &#8220;&#8216;mos&#8221; bring a special sensibility to the world, alas born of sensitivity to pain and our outsider status &#8212; it allows us to see things others may take for granted.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc</title>
		<link>http://www.ratdiary.com/2006/12/10/brokeback-redux/#comment-1399</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Dec 2006 07:42:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PART II:

Re-reading all the comments, two thoughts: 

1.)  Everyone above should get some kind of an award for using &quot;affect&quot; and &quot;effect&quot; correctly! 

2.)  Naming &quot;Crash&quot; as best picture over BBM was most definitely an affront to decency.  Again, congratulations to the writer above on finding the perfect words to describe it.  I admit, I was not there in person, and I only saw it on TV, but Annie Proulx&#039;s description of the moment when Crash was announced as best picture was perfect:  There definitely was some relief in the audience&#039;s reaction, which was troubling to say the least.   

Marc Giles, Chicago, IL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PART II:</p>
<p>Re-reading all the comments, two thoughts: </p>
<p>1.)  Everyone above should get some kind of an award for using &#8220;affect&#8221; and &#8220;effect&#8221; correctly! </p>
<p>2.)  Naming &#8220;Crash&#8221; as best picture over BBM was most definitely an affront to decency.  Again, congratulations to the writer above on finding the perfect words to describe it.  I admit, I was not there in person, and I only saw it on TV, but Annie Proulx&#8217;s description of the moment when Crash was announced as best picture was perfect:  There definitely was some relief in the audience&#8217;s reaction, which was troubling to say the least.   </p>
<p>Marc Giles, Chicago, IL</p>
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		<title>By: Marc</title>
		<link>http://www.ratdiary.com/2006/12/10/brokeback-redux/#comment-1398</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Dec 2006 07:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you!!  What a great piece of writing.  (Thanks as well for the link to Annie Proulx&#039;s evisceration--it was so good!  I was just thinking about it today.)  

It seems likes a lot of us are on the same wavelength--I realized that it was the one year anniversay of the movie&#039;s release, so I watched the DVD last week for the first time since seeing it 5 times in the theater a year ago.  Nothing about it has gotten old, and I experience some new  reactions each time I see it.  

You make an excellent point about the unforgivable (bravo--perfect word) shot of Alma during E &amp; J&#039;s reunion--it always drew a vocal reaction from the audience, and that always bothered me . . . you were able to discern why.  

Not only is your piece remarkable, but the comments are wonderful to read as well.  I don&#039;t know if you edit these or not, but thankfully there are no hateful fag-bashing posts by Neanderthal troglodytes . . . yet.  (See the iTunes comments section on the not-so-good recorded book of BBM for a typically disgusting sampling of those.)  

I can&#039;t add anything new to the excellent comments above (e.g. Joel H), but again - thank you so very much for this post, and thanks to all those who posted the thoughtful comments.  At the risk of sounding too self-congratulatory, Camille Paglia is right--there is definitely something unique and wonderful about us &#039;mos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you!!  What a great piece of writing.  (Thanks as well for the link to Annie Proulx&#8217;s evisceration&#8211;it was so good!  I was just thinking about it today.)  </p>
<p>It seems likes a lot of us are on the same wavelength&#8211;I realized that it was the one year anniversay of the movie&#8217;s release, so I watched the DVD last week for the first time since seeing it 5 times in the theater a year ago.  Nothing about it has gotten old, and I experience some new  reactions each time I see it.  </p>
<p>You make an excellent point about the unforgivable (bravo&#8211;perfect word) shot of Alma during E &amp; J&#8217;s reunion&#8211;it always drew a vocal reaction from the audience, and that always bothered me . . . you were able to discern why.  </p>
<p>Not only is your piece remarkable, but the comments are wonderful to read as well.  I don&#8217;t know if you edit these or not, but thankfully there are no hateful fag-bashing posts by Neanderthal troglodytes . . . yet.  (See the iTunes comments section on the not-so-good recorded book of BBM for a typically disgusting sampling of those.)  </p>
<p>I can&#8217;t add anything new to the excellent comments above (e.g. Joel H), but again &#8211; thank you so very much for this post, and thanks to all those who posted the thoughtful comments.  At the risk of sounding too self-congratulatory, Camille Paglia is right&#8211;there is definitely something unique and wonderful about us &#8216;mos.</p>
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		<title>By: smartalek</title>
		<link>http://www.ratdiary.com/2006/12/10/brokeback-redux/#comment-1347</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Dec 2006 01:17:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have yet to have my first viewing; I&#039;ve owned it on DVD since it came out but can&#039;t quite bring myself to watch it yet.

It&#039;s deeply moving -- heart-rending --  to compare the fictional story here with the real stories of people whose lives were constricted and loves constrained because of the way the world has been.  The changes that have been too long coming, and have yet to be fully fought over, over and over again.

But it&#039;s also interesting to think of what might be the worst stories of all, though it may take a long time -- and it may never happen -- that we&#039;ll be able to appreciate these stories, because of the immeasurable harm that the people involved brought to everyone else, as well as upon themselves.  I&#039;m talking of course about the Ted Haggards and the Paul Barneses; the Mark Foleys, David Driers, and Jay Timmonses; the people who have built lives out of their deceit and careers out of their self-loathing.  As easy, and just, as it is to revile such people for the destruction they&#039;ve wrought, we should also recognize that they must be in truly horrific shape themselves, with lives that can&#039;t have been much more than constant misery and fear.  (Of course, as they&#039;d be the first to point out, they did make those choices, didn&#039;t they?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have yet to have my first viewing; I&#8217;ve owned it on DVD since it came out but can&#8217;t quite bring myself to watch it yet.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s deeply moving &#8212; heart-rending &#8212;  to compare the fictional story here with the real stories of people whose lives were constricted and loves constrained because of the way the world has been.  The changes that have been too long coming, and have yet to be fully fought over, over and over again.</p>
<p>But it&#8217;s also interesting to think of what might be the worst stories of all, though it may take a long time &#8212; and it may never happen &#8212; that we&#8217;ll be able to appreciate these stories, because of the immeasurable harm that the people involved brought to everyone else, as well as upon themselves.  I&#8217;m talking of course about the Ted Haggards and the Paul Barneses; the Mark Foleys, David Driers, and Jay Timmonses; the people who have built lives out of their deceit and careers out of their self-loathing.  As easy, and just, as it is to revile such people for the destruction they&#8217;ve wrought, we should also recognize that they must be in truly horrific shape themselves, with lives that can&#8217;t have been much more than constant misery and fear.  (Of course, as they&#8217;d be the first to point out, they did make those choices, didn&#8217;t they?)</p>
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		<title>By: Oscar</title>
		<link>http://www.ratdiary.com/2006/12/10/brokeback-redux/#comment-1334</link>
		<dc:creator>Oscar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Dec 2006 00:01:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I watched at the movies and cried a lot. Now, I can&#039;t watch it. I won the DVD on a contest, I have it and is imposible for me to see it. You see, I won the DVD because I wrote about an equal experience I had in NYC in 1967, where society&#039;s pressures sets us apart. So many years later and still hurts. I identify with Jack and the road he took. Thank you for the piece is magnificent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I watched at the movies and cried a lot. Now, I can&#8217;t watch it. I won the DVD on a contest, I have it and is imposible for me to see it. You see, I won the DVD because I wrote about an equal experience I had in NYC in 1967, where society&#8217;s pressures sets us apart. So many years later and still hurts. I identify with Jack and the road he took. Thank you for the piece is magnificent.</p>
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		<title>By: Garry</title>
		<link>http://www.ratdiary.com/2006/12/10/brokeback-redux/#comment-1333</link>
		<dc:creator>Garry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Dec 2006 23:31:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was, I truely believe, the most profound movie I have ever seen.  I own the DVD, but have not been able to watch it.  After your comments, it may be time to see it again.  The fact that it lost the Academy Award was such a blow to decency . . . just submission to commercial reality without a trace of a nod to artistic beauty.  I am very glad to read some of the above commcents.  Please, continue to work for acceptance and justice (I hate the term &quot;tolerance&quot; as it says that it is alright to &#039;tolerate&#039;.  That is not enough!)  Garry Hills, Key West</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was, I truely believe, the most profound movie I have ever seen.  I own the DVD, but have not been able to watch it.  After your comments, it may be time to see it again.  The fact that it lost the Academy Award was such a blow to decency . . . just submission to commercial reality without a trace of a nod to artistic beauty.  I am very glad to read some of the above commcents.  Please, continue to work for acceptance and justice (I hate the term &#8220;tolerance&#8221; as it says that it is alright to &#8216;tolerate&#8217;.  That is not enough!)  Garry Hills, Key West</p>
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		<title>By: Regan Chapman</title>
		<link>http://www.ratdiary.com/2006/12/10/brokeback-redux/#comment-1329</link>
		<dc:creator>Regan Chapman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Dec 2006 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am so glad that I &quot;happened&quot; across this very poignant and thoughtful discussion.  Mr. Dawley, your essay was a superb reminder.  The comments that followed are heartbreaking, kind and generous.  My experience of Brokeback has been similar and yet cut to the bone of my own circumstantial life.  Heath Ledger&#039;s performance is a thing of legend; Jake&#039;s highly underrated for its subtlety and nuanced depth.  This film reinforced my deep, deep belief that all people of goodwill must work even harder and more faithfully for the liberation of all human beings. To paraphrase: if one suffers, so do we all.  This gorgeous film demands more than just our tears, but our commitment to work and suffer for justice. Peace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am so glad that I &#8220;happened&#8221; across this very poignant and thoughtful discussion.  Mr. Dawley, your essay was a superb reminder.  The comments that followed are heartbreaking, kind and generous.  My experience of Brokeback has been similar and yet cut to the bone of my own circumstantial life.  Heath Ledger&#8217;s performance is a thing of legend; Jake&#8217;s highly underrated for its subtlety and nuanced depth.  This film reinforced my deep, deep belief that all people of goodwill must work even harder and more faithfully for the liberation of all human beings. To paraphrase: if one suffers, so do we all.  This gorgeous film demands more than just our tears, but our commitment to work and suffer for justice. Peace.</p>
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		<title>By: HoneyBearKelly</title>
		<link>http://www.ratdiary.com/2006/12/10/brokeback-redux/#comment-1328</link>
		<dc:creator>HoneyBearKelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Dec 2006 18:41:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a lovely tribute.

My thanks for writing this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a lovely tribute.</p>
<p>My thanks for writing this.</p>
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